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FriendshipRank, Wives and Friendship: Wearing Rank

Officer and enlisted wives speak on the subject.

by Tanya Biank

 

As a young sergeant’s wife, Karen Francis remembers the time a colonel told the wives at a club meeting to line up according to rank.  “So we all milled around,” Karen says.  What’s your’s?  Date of rank?  The colonel allowed only a few minutes of this before bellowing:  “YOU HAVE NO RANK!

“But his wife sure wore his,” says Karen, whose husband is now a chief warrant officer in the Minnesota National Guard.  The woman once scolded Karen and her best friend, a lieutenant’s wife, over their friendship.  Their husbands, who served in the same unit, also caught grief over the matter.

Seashells and sand

Women and friendships are like seashells and sand:  They go together.  While military wives can be friends with whomever they choose, many wives, as Karen discovered early in her husband’s career, find that reality is not always so democratic.  Layers of tradition, steeped in stereotypes, fraternization rules, rank and class, can impact a military friendship as much as personality traits and similar interests.  How rank affects spousal friendships is one of those subjects rarely discussed openly in military circles.  Yet it is an issue which shapes relationships of many military wives.

Most wives quickly learn that rank and pecking order permeate everything in military society from the battlefield to backyard barbecues.  The impact on friendships depends as much on individual personalities and circumstances as it does on military decorum.

Stacy Williams, an Army major’s wife, believes that the wives of enlisted and non-enlisted can be friends.  “However, there is always a line that shouldn’t be crossed,” she says.  “I don’t think it’s wise for wives to share stories about their husbands that may affect their leadership.”

Aimee Woolsey, who went from being an enlisted Army wife to an Air Force officer’s wife when her husband changed ranks and services, said she’s come to understand that rank distinction has its place.  After working for the provost marshal at her first post, she understands the potential harm to units, careers and marriages when regulations regarding fraternization polices aren’t followed.  “It applies [to spouses] when [they are] prone to gossip and their mate is prone to listening … and acting upon it,” she says.

 



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justasubwife12/12/2007 7:41:28 AM
I've been a military dependant my whole life, maybe thats where my views on this come from. While growing up and going to school I had friends who's parents where from all ranks. And now as a Navy wife I still have friends from all ranks, One of my best friends is a LTCDR's wife and I am a E5's wife. Two of my other good friends have husbands around the same rank as my own. The rest of my friends vary when it comes to their husband's rank. I think its possible to have these friendships and still live. lol If you force your self not to be friends with certain people because of rank than you may find yourself with out the support you need (that you only get from someone who is truly a friend) when you need it. I'm not saying you can't find that with-in wives that share husband's ranks, but sometimes you don't find people who are frindship material and need to look further. Megan
sleek0812/12/2007 11:03:30 AM
Will women not talk to other women whose husbands are lower rank? Is this how it is supposed to be? Im confused, my husband is an E3 but I have never lived on base, I am new and learning, and my first action would be to seek a seasoned military spouse and learn as much as possible---do I face rejection because of my husbands rank?
vbrady0212/12/2007 1:25:28 PM
I have been an enlisted wife for 6 years and I must say I think it is crazy the way they try to control things. I do not wear a rank I am not in the military my husband is and I do not get called SGT. or COL. he does so why should I have to be careful about my friends because their husband makes more money than mine? I do have to say though my husbands position has often put me in a place to be around a lot of officer's wives and most of the time I could do without because they do wear their husbands rank.I wish that folks realize that my husband has worked as hard as theirs for his rank and that he deserves respect just as much as they do not for his rank but just like them his service to the United States which is what they are all supposed to do if I am correct.
debnsethforever12/12/2007 6:11:37 PM
I am an Officer’s wife and have never considered myself better nor have I held myself at a higher regard than an enlisted wife. Some of my best friends in the military so far have been enlisted wives, one being a Private’s wife. I have heard enlisted wives complain about Officer’s wives and labeled all Officers’ wives as being stuck up and snotty, this was before they found out that I was one myself. I have made it a thing to be the best person I can be and to look at all wives as equal, because we are.
jhqsmom12/12/2007 9:46:56 PM
I have been a military spouse for 15 years. I was an enlisted wife till 2 years ago when my husband received his promotion. After that, I have had good and bad experiences. This past year, I have been told that officers wives should keep there noses out of the FRG, that we dont belong because of our husbands rank. Well I say that is a bunch of hooey. While rank has made some wives get too big for there pants, there are those of us out here who have not changed and will not ever change. We officers wives should not be judged by what those who wear their husbands rank do and say. We are in this together. We all share similar troubles. Officers wives can be a great asset if allowed.
Heather N12/13/2007 9:53:51 AM
I love how Aimee Woolsey phrased her comment. My husband and I are both fond of saying a soldier/sailor/etc. is responsible for the actions of their spouse. Meaning that if you do something as a spouse it could negatively or positively reflect back on them. I have run into one case recently where an officer told his young wife she was not allowed to be friends with enlisted wives. At first I was insulted for her, then I listed to her for a few minutes and realized that there was no valve between what she heard and what she repeated. On Sleek08's comment. It's on an individual bases. Many wives you won't ever know their husbands rank unless you see them together in uniform or you ask. It's not important to them or the situation to know or tell.
Hazel12/14/2007 9:01:18 AM
Hi I am an 05 soon to be an 06 officer's wife. We have been married for 15 years. I have to admit when I first met him I did not know what a Lt. was. I was married before to and E7 and I did not really participate in any activities with his rank or job. Now it is so different being an officer's wife. I use to think I could wear what I want and do what I want but you can't. It is a reflection on your husband. As far as friends go I have always thought that it is a really bad idea for some people to act like they were better than the lower ranking wives. I would love to have more of the friends that I have come to know over the years. I don't like someone shying away from me because I am " the Captains wife". I am just myself and I wish the other women would be themselves around me. That is not always the case but I wish it were.
Sgtwifey12/16/2007 10:24:12 AM
my good here on base here husband is a e-8 in the marines and now my husband is a e-5 in the marines. my husband said he is not allowed to talk to husband some kind of marine thing so they have not chat but he has around my friend when we go hang-out. i don't think there should be that you have to stay just friends with the same ranks around you.
stewarty12/23/2007 3:29:25 AM
As a military spouse/family member I have seen and heard much. Rank/title however honorable is inefficient as the work of hand and brain. Military spouses have no rank, friendship has no rank. Problems begin when we not only allow a military spouse to use the rank of their service member but give them the same respect as a military. What are we going to do next, salute a military spouse? Get a grip people! We are a unique and distinguished group. Many people not affiliated with the military have assumed we have much, get much and have an easy life. For most of us we know it is not true, we work hard for what we have but there is a difference. Lines are drawn when it comes to rank in the military. A service member earns their rank through years of learning and hard work. When does a military spouse earn rank? When does the rank come into play? When we LET that person use the rank of their service member. I have no respect for spouses, who use their service members rank in order to get ahead, make decisions or influence others without doing any work themselves. Once your hands, feet and everything in-between have gotten dirty with hard work and determination then and only then can you say you have done something to make a difference. I have seen many spouses give orders to others – what is worse is the person taking the order. Do not give yourself credit for something you have not done. Military spouses have no rank! We have pride!
tabatha_edwards1/18/2008 12:27:10 AM
I have been in a military household my entire life. My father was enlisted air force (retired at 22 yrs) and my husband has been in for 2 years now. Growing up I never felt any difference. Living on a small base overseas we were all friends. The only thing I noticed was that "B" had a house on base while everyone else lived in apartments. (I later found out that her dad was the highest ranking officer on base but it never came up between us) Now I have friends from all walks of life and whose husbands are all different ranks. I actually didnt know what most of their ranks were until a recent Christmas party. We have a friend with a bachelors who is an E3 right now because he was told instructors are easier on you in BUDs if you are enlisted....Should I not be friends with his girlfriend/wife because of his degree? I think tnat I am in charge of Me and I should decide who I enjoy spending my time with. And, in response to Hazel's comment, I feel that what we wear/say/do is a reflection not only on our husbands but first and foremost on ourselves. If we are around someone who has never been to our WONDERFUL country it's also a reflection of the USA. Shouldn't that be equally important regardless of paygrade?
Rosemary O'Brien1/21/2008 3:38:37 PM
Oh come on. It has been said that spouses are "as good as being in the military" when we marry, but face it - WE ARE NOT IN THE MILITARY. Anyone who wears her spouse's rank on her sleeve needs to get a life. I am an officer's wife, the wife of a former enlisted person who earned his commission while on active duty for 15 years. I lived on base for a very brief time, so maybe that's why I just don't care about all of this hooey. I was accomplished in my own right when we married at 33. I had my own life and my own "self" by then, so really didn't care what someone's hubby did if I wanted to befriend a wife! Enjoy friendships regardless of what rank the spouse. They are way too precious. If an officer's wife (or vice versa) doesn't want to be friends with you simply because your other half is enlisted, she's basically not a nice person and definitely not someone you want to be friends with. Ro (wife of a LCDR)
Beth W5/7/2008 3:16:18 PM
This is a discussion as old as military service...could I add a thought to the discussion. While it is a discussion of 'rank' is it not also a discussion of CHARACTER? Is it possible the officer wives who 'wear their spouse's rank" is also a character issue? Strong character could prevent this behavior. Gossiping enlisted wives? Still an issue of character. Inability to respect and value the challenges and uniqueness of our service members' rank and position? Still an issue of character... The interesting thing for me has been the shocking revelation that often other wives are more intersted in my husband's position in the military than ME, my accomplishments, my interests, my friendship... Just my two cents for what it is worth..
anangelsmom5/7/2008 3:43:44 PM
We dont have rank and we as friends should be able to talk about anything we like without it getting back to some gun ho commander who wants to make everyones lives a living hell.. hello you say there is no rank but guess what if we as friends cant talk and laugh and cry without it getting back to someones husband then why be friends... Friends to me is sharing anything and everthing being open and honest and if you cant do that with me then why are we talking? to me I dont wear my husbands rank and I dont go and tell him things women in the unit tell me its between me and them not the 3 of us.. friendships mean alot to me and who im friends with cant keep their months shut when Im just venting about my husband well then we dont need to be friends. I have come to know that officer wives always want the dirt on the lower ranks so that their husbands can look good for getting those men into trouble women will do anything to make sure their husbands move up and if it steps on your toes they dont care.. so yeah me being friends with an offiers wife will never happen.. the only time I was a friend with an officers wife was due to she married my brother.. other then that they watch out for me.. just like they like to look for something bad to tell their husbands I do the same thing.. found out 4 officers wives where Ho's while their husbands where deployed so yeah held that above their heads for a long time...they never messed with me or my husband... anyway ranks dont mix enless your in different units and different MOS's thats the only way you can make things work they cant go tell their husbands what you told them and so on.. but as for me and my home we will not have officer wives over .. they think they are better then us lower rankers.. when most of us lower rankers have degrees and are smarter then they will ever be..
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D5/7/2008 6:20:43 PM
Oh, anangelsmom, you make me laugh! Are you really a military spouse, or are you a junior high student who's pretending? Your comments make you appear to be the most opinionated, selfish writer in this whole series. Who cares about rank? You do! Who makes sweeping stereotypes about an entire group? You do! To read your comments, all officers' spouses (guess you include husbands, too, right?) are sneaky, vindictive, and out to get you. Oh, sure! Like they conspire. Please. I saw how you bashed the winner of the Military Spouse of the Year award, just because you presumed her husband held a high rank. None of the articles even mentions his rank! Perhaps you're anti-women, because you assume she couldn't earn an award based on her own service and accomplishment. Shame on you. Maybe when you mature a little bit you'll realize not everyone is as small-minded as you seem to be. At the level of pettiness you display now, why would ANY spouse want to be your friend?
tanyawrn5/7/2008 8:13:31 PM
anangelsmom, I was an enlisted wife and now and officer's wife and you would be one reason why I would not feel comfortable becmoing friends with some enlisted wifes... you would be one that is I told you anything about my husband or our life that was less than flattering then you would tell everyone to hold it over our heads... Who cares if the officer's wifes you knew were Ho's... that really is none of your business or anyone else's.. the only reason you care is to embarrass the higher ranking. To be quite honest you do not sound too educated or well rounded to me, so therefore I do not believe you have more education then officer wifes... and just because someone is a military wife does not mean they have not gotten their education or have their own accomplishments to be proud of. Sometimes the degree of smartness cannot be made on a person's educational level but also on their life experiences.
Tiffany5/7/2008 10:20:35 PM
I was in the military for 4 yrs before I met my Husband...also military. I remember many times dealing with wives in the medical clinic where i worked and many times, regardless of being enlisted or officer wives/spouses, many of them wore their spouses rank. You would often hear "well my husband is Sgt/Lt so and so." I think that we as spouses need to remember that we don't wear the rank our spouses do. I don't think that it should matter what the rank of your friends spouses are as long as that friendship doesn't cause problems for the respective spouses.
Cynthia5/8/2008 9:56:14 AM
Respect is earned. My husband joined late in life, just recently. I have always treated the janitor the same as the CEO. I have not changed since pcs'g and moving on post. I have no issues with rank, except for those who act as if they are better. As a matter of fact, because of our age, most think my hubby is a Col!! =D But if they speak with me, they wonder how long we've been in cause I'm a rash cutup. I ask about ranks simply for educational reasons, I'm green. I'm an officer's wife, my husband has my back if I dis a higher ranking officers wife, which happens. I'm outspoken. I'm an frg lead, still learning, and I will jump to the rescue of an enlisted or officers wife if they need me or my services. We're all in this together, we all have the same emotions during a deployment. I want to ease the tenseness ... regardless.

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